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[griz]

I'm happy the ol' bull moose created a bunch of national parks like Glacier and Yellowstone. He was a real environmentalist: he rode horses, camped, hunted, fished and understood that forests are a multiple use resource. Were he still alive doing this, my reaction might be different. But these scum-sucking, low-life politicians and environmentalists are not to be trusted.

Government land grab

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I look forward to throwing Montana's own Senator Jon Tester under a stampede of buffalo...errrrr....bison for treason against the people of Montana. I'll be certain that old Max Baucus is chained to him.

[GTU]

griz, on 18 May 2010 - 10:06 AM, said:

I'm happy the ol' bull moose created a bunch of national parks like Glacier and Yellowstone. He was a real environmentalist: he rode horses, camped, hunted, fished and understood that forests are a multiple use resource. Were he still alive doing this, my reaction might be different. But these scum-sucking, low-life politicians and environmentalists are not to be trusted.

Government land grab

The docs are here


I look forward to throwing Montana's own Senator Jon Tester under a stampede of buffalo...errrrr....bison for treason against the people of Montana. I'll be certain that old Max Baucus is chained to him.

So let me get this straight. The government is taking their own land, but it is really a land grab? I'm confused. Doesn't it have to be someone else's land in order for it to be a "land grab"?

[griz]

GTU, on 04 June 2010 - 01:13 PM, said:

So let me get this straight. The government is taking their own land, but it is really a land grab? I'm confused. Doesn't it have to be someone else's land in order for it to be a "land grab"?

Let's start here: the Gubment doesn't own any land and never will; the PEOPLE own the land; however, this fine point has been really lost in the last 40 or 50 years.

Changing the government's designation for the land often changes the people's ability to use the land...and returning to point #1 - the PEOPLE own the land.

The gates and barriers put up during the Clinton administration on our national forests soured me to any government meddlin' with the status quo.

[GTU]

griz, on 05 June 2010 - 11:38 PM, said:

Let's start here: the Gubment doesn't own any land and never will; the PEOPLE own the land; however, this fine point has been really lost in the last 40 or 50 years.

Changing the government's designation for the land often changes the people's ability to use the land...and returning to point #1 - the PEOPLE own the land.

The gates and barriers put up during the Clinton administration on our national forests soured me to any government meddlin' with the status quo.

This was the same old crap I heard when I lived in Wyoming. Ranchers had been leasing land for years at far below market value and whine like a bunch of pissy little girls when the government, who administers the land for the people, want to provide access to that land for a wider range of individuals and for a wider range of uses. The only person who ends up feeling shafted is the poor rancher who now has to pay actual market prices for grazing land.

Poor ranchers. The reason Montana has some of the crappiest schools in the country in because ranchers and miners run the state and have made sure they pay less taxes than anyone else. Since those are the two largest industries other than tourism and slot machines, guess where the limited money for schools comes from? It isn't from ranchers and miners. I remember sitting at a meeting of school administrators who were worried of losing teachers to higher paying states. We laughed because we knew that none of them were going to Montana. Teacher salaries there are the lowest in the country, by many thousands of dollars.

[Stormin']

Don't bother arguing with griz. First he'll claim you have reading comprehension problems and need a brain transplant. Next he'll allude to some vague job experience from 30 years ago that makes him an expert on the subject Then he'll infer that you're a homosexual. Then he'll say the solution is a bullet in your head....

[Nimrod]

griz, on 18 May 2010 - 10:06 AM, said:

I'm happy the ol' bull moose created a bunch of national parks like Glacier and Yellowstone.

Glad to hear you are a Socialist.

So you were okay for Teddy to kick the true owners out of the land in the Smoky Mountains?

Do you think Government does a better job taking care of land than the private sector?

Do you think if the private sector owned Yellowstone it would have turned into a dry desert or something worse than it is now?

[GTU]

Nimrod, on 07 June 2010 - 11:46 AM, said:

Glad to hear you are a Socialist.

So you were okay for Teddy to kick the true owners out of the land in the Smoky Mountains?

Do you think Government does a better job taking care of land than the private sector?

Do you think if the private sector owned Yellowstone it would have turned into a dry desert or something worse than it is now?

The private sector caretaking of the Gulf has been exceptional.