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[Prizetek]

The Mighty Superpower is a Poodle of Israel

[GGinSF]

I'm a supporter of the State of Israel. I'm glad that country exists. That being said, they do a lot of shitty things and this was one of them. We shouldn't be giving them a free pass all the time. Perhaps not all United States Jews feel this way, but I'm sure that I'm not the only one.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Buchanan is a racist and anti-semite. This is much to do about nothing. This is the inner politics of Israel. Netanyahu is about to lose his coalition which will force a re-election. Netanyahu had nothing to do with it. This would be like a Senator announcing some controversial plan when a foreign head of state was visiting the US. Much ado about nothing. What is interesting is the reaction from this rag tag Executive Office we have. Oh and by the way there is no fucking peace process. Those fuckers are a bunch of monsters that can't be trusted. They are more interested in killing little Jewish children than saving their own from a life of crap.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Wow I just read the comments below. What a bunch of anti-semetic pigs.

[Prizetek]

MiamiPadronSmoker, on 16 March 2010 - 07:12 PM, said:

Buchanan is a racist.

MiamiPadronSmoker, on 16 March 2010 - 07:12 PM, said:

Those fuckers are a bunch of monsters that can't be trusted.

I don't know if this clown is too stupid to realize how hypocritical and selfish he is, or too evil not to care.

BTW, that second quote sounds like something Hitler might have said. Congrats.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Prizetek, on 16 March 2010 - 08:43 PM, said:

I don't know if this clown is too stupid to realize how hypocritical and selfish he is, or too evil not to care.

BTW, that second quote sounds like something Hitler might have said. Congrats.

Nice comparing me to Hitler you shmuck. My grandparents survived the Holocaust but most of my family was murdered by him. So you think calling those terrorists fuckers and monsters is like Hitler? You need to get your brain examined. How do you feel about Al Qaeda? You think there is a difference between them and Hamas? They are all the same. They pray to Allah that you will die just as much as me. Wake up MORON!

[Prizetek]

GGinSF, on 16 March 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

I'm a supporter of the State of Israel. I'm glad that country exists. That being said, they do a lot of shitty things and this was one of them. We shouldn't be giving them a free pass all the time. Perhaps not all United States Jews feel this way, but I'm sure that I'm not the only one.

You are definitely not the only one.

There are even a lot of folks in Israel that don't like the far rightwing government policies either.

I wonder where things might be today if that whackjob had not murdered Rabin (RIP), or if that POS Arafat had forced the issue by taking the deal Barak offered at Camp David.

There are a lot worse governments out there than Israel's, and they sure have a lot of crap to deal with that very few if any other governments have to deal with, so there is some sympathy there.

The main problem I have is that I do not like financially supporting the Israeli government with my tax dollars. And I feel the exact same way about Egypt - even more so because the Egyptian government is effectively a dictatorship. If these governments want to do their own thing and say to hell with us, then let them do it with their own money, weapons, etc. Cut them all off from American taxpayer dollars.

MiamiPadronSmoker, on 16 March 2010 - 09:03 PM, said:

Nice comparing me to Hitler you shmuck.

You are the one making Hitleresque statements, not me.

Nice of you to label Palestinians as monsters and terrorists.

You have a lot of hatred, and it always starts with hatred. You need to take a good, long look in the mirror. You are becoming like the one you hate.

Edited by Prizetek, 16 March 2010 - 09:15 PM.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Prizetek, on 16 March 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

You are definitely not the only one.

There are even a lot of folks in Israel that don't like the far rightwing government policies either.

I wonder where things might be today if that whackjob had not murdered Rabin (RIP), or if that POS Arafat had forced the issue by taking the deal Barak offered at Camp David.

There are a lot worse governments out there than Israel's, and they sure have a lot of crap to deal with that very few if any other governments have to deal with, so there is some sympathy there.

The main problem I have is that I do not like financially supporting the Israeli government with my tax dollars. And I feel the exact same way about Egypt - even more so because the Egyptian government is effectively a dictatorship. If these governments want to do their own thing and say to hell with us, then let them do it with their own money, weapons, etc. Cut them all off from American taxpayer dollars.


Nice of you to label all Palestinians as terrorists.

You have a lot of hatred, and it always starts with hatred. You need to take a good, long look in the mirror.

I never labeled all Palestinians as terrorists. Try living in Israel for 4 years and watching firsthand innocent woman and children being blown up. A nation of people voting in a terrorist government. They chose whom to lie with. Hatred for your enemy is a good thing. I know where you stand.

So are you still comparing me to Hitler?

Go fuck yourself.

[Prizetek]

MiamiPadronSmoker, on 16 March 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

Try living in Israel for 4 years and watching firsthand innocent woman and children being blown up.

Try living with the Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza for 4 days. Try watching firsthand innocent Palestinian woman and children being killed by the Israeli army, having their homes bulldozed, being walled in and separated from their jobs, their livelihoods, having supplies embargoed in Gaza, being subjected to Apartheid by an occupying force . . .

Oh, that's right. I forgot. There are no innocent Palestinians.

On second thought, nevermind. It sounds like it would bring a smile to your face watching that.

There have been many times more Palestinians killed in the Israeli-Palestinian war than there have been Israelis. Unfortunately for you, Americans are starting to wake up and realize this. The innocent victim card is not working so much any more. There is plenty of blame to go around in Palestine and in Israel.

You are right about one thing: there is no peace process. And as long as there are folks like you in charge of the Israeli government, and folks like Hamas in the Palestinian government (or rather, governments), there never will be.



But never mind all of that because that is all beside the point of the article.

Please explain why American taxpayers should be giving one red cent to Israel (and Egypt if you think we should be giving money to Egypt, too). Especially with our huge budget deficits and destroyed economy.

Otherwise, STFU and go hatemonger somewhere else.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Prizetek, on 16 March 2010 - 10:40 PM, said:

Try living with the Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza for 4 days. Try watching firsthand innocent Palestinian woman and children being killed by the Israeli army, having their homes bulldozed, being walled in and separated from their jobs, their livelihoods, having supplies embargoed in Gaza, being subjected to Apartheid by an occupying force . . .

Oh, that's right. I forgot. There are no innocent Palestinians.

On second thought, nevermind. It sounds like it would bring a smile to your face watching that.

There have been many times more Palestinians killed in the Israeli-Palestinian war than there have been Israelis. Unfortunately for you, Americans are starting to wake up and realize this. The innocent victim card is not working so much any more. There is plenty of blame to go around in Palestine and in Israel.

You are right about one thing: there is no peace process. And as long as there are folks like you in charge of the Israeli government, and folks like Hamas in the Palestinian government (or rather, governments), there never will be.



But never mind all of that because that is all beside the point of the article.

Please explain why American taxpayers should be giving one red cent to Israel (and Egypt if you think we should be giving money to Egypt, too). Especially with our huge budget deficits and destroyed economy.

Otherwise, STFU and go hatemonger somewhere else.

Thanks for showing your true colors. Thankfully the USA doesn't agree with you. Good luck with Buchanan, David Duke and Ron Paul. To even compare a democratic government like Israel to Hamas is stupidity. So you think the war in Afghanistan is unjustified too? What about the innocents there? I'm far from a hate monger I'm just a realist. The Palestinians have themselves to blame for their loss of life. They are not interested in peace. Their leaders only gain by strife. That's the only reason there is no real peace process. Their governments are corrupt and run by homicidal fanatics. Even fatah which is considered moderate in comparison to Hamas has their own terrorist wing. They hide behind their woman and children to fight and we take every possible precaution to save them. It's extremely upsetting to see innocent Palestinians die. Why would we want that? We just want to live in peace in our own land. Israel takes as much precaution against loss of life as possible. Unfortunately when they fire missles and rockets from schools and playgrounds it becomes extremely difficult. The Israeli army is the most moral army in the world. G-D bless the United States of America and Israel. G-D knows we need it with all the enemies we both have in common. Most Americans realize that we are fighting a common enemy who celebrates 9/11 and wants both the big satan and little satan dead.

[Prizetek]

Prizetek, on 16 March 2010 - 10:40 PM, said:

Please explain why American taxpayers should be giving one red cent to Israel (and Egypt if you think we should be giving money to Egypt, too). Especially with our huge budget deficits and destroyed economy.

Otherwise, STFU and go hatemonger somewhere else.

MiamiPadronSmoker, on 17 March 2010 - 10:47 AM, said:

Thanks for showing your true colors. Thankfully the USA doesn't agree with you. Good luck with Buchanan, David Duke and Ron Paul. To even compare a democratic government like Israel to Hamas is stupidity. So you think the war in Afghanistan is unjustified too? What about the innocents there? I'm far from a hate monger I'm just a realist. The Palestinians have themselves to blame for their loss of life. They are not interested in peace. Their leaders only gain by strife. That's the only reason there is no real peace process. Their governments are corrupt and run by homicidal fanatics. Even fatah which is considered moderate in comparison to Hamas has their own terrorist wing. They hide behind their woman and children to fight and we take every possible precaution to save them. It's extremely upsetting to see innocent Palestinians die. Why would we want that? We just want to live in peace in our own land. Israel takes as much precaution against loss of life as possible. Unfortunately when they fire missles and rockets from schools and playgrounds it becomes extremely difficult. The Israeli army is the most moral army in the world. G-D bless the United States of America and Israel. G-D knows we need it with all the enemies we both have in common. Most Americans realize that we are fighting a common enemy who celebrates 9/11 and wants both the big satan and little satan dead.

You didn't answer the question.

So STFU, and go start your own thread to demonize and spread racial hate against the persecuted Palestinian people.



BTW, I am pretty sure that Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza. Just like Avigdor Lieberman in Israel. They both can go to hell as far as I care.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

You didn't answer the question.

So STFU, and go start your own thread to demonize and spread racial hate against the persecuted Palestinian people.



BTW, I am pretty sure that Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza. Just like Avigdor Lieberman in Israel. They both can go to hell as far as I care.

Where is the racial hate?

The United States gives aid to it's allies and will continue to do so. Israel is just one of many. It is strategically in its interest. Does that answer your question? Isn't that obvious?

I will post on any thread I want to.

You honestly think that any election results in a democracy? Wow. Looks like you need an education.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Oh and I enjoy this. I already realized before even posting a reply to your link that you were hopeless and clueless.

[Prizetek]

MiamiPadronSmoker, on 17 March 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Where is the racial hate?

The United States gives aid to it's allies and will continue to do so. Israel is just one of many. It is strategically in its interest. Does that answer your question? Isn't that obvious?

I will post on any thread I want to.

You honestly think that any election results in a democracy? Wow. Looks like you need an education.

There is nothing in our interest to give billions to Israel every year. It is actually directly contrary to our interests. When Israel starts exporting a zillion barrels of oil a year to us, then you can get back to me on that.

It actually would be in our strategic interest to tell the Arab and Muslim world that we are through with Israel, we cut all ties, no more money, no more weapons, no more UN vetoes, they are on their own, and y'all have fun. Now I'm sure that would not be in AIPAC's interests, and those of the fifth column here whose true loyalties lie with Israel rather than the USA (maybe even you). But I couldn't give two shits about that.


And you are full of horseshit to say that "Israel is just one of many." Israel is the all-time runaway leader. How about we give Israel the same amount of "foreign aid" per capita that we give to other "friends" and strategic partners like England, Canada, and Japan? Or how about we just let every U.S. taxpayer opt out or opt in on their tax return for how much they want to give to support the poor, indigent Israelis. LOL!

Edited by Prizetek, 17 March 2010 - 04:41 PM.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:

There is nothing in our interest to give billions to Israel every year. It is actually directly contrary to our interests. When Israel starts exporting a zillion barrels of oil a year to us, then you can get back to me on that.

It actually would be in our strategic interest to tell the Arab and Muslim world that we are through with Israel, we cut all ties, no more money, no more weapons, no more UN vetoes, they are on their own, and y'all have fun. Now I'm sure that would not be in AIPAC's interests, and those of the fifth column here whose true loyalties lie with Israel rather than the USA (maybe even you). But I couldn't give two shits about that.


And you are full of horseshit to say that "Israel is just one of many." Israel is the all-time runaway leader. How about we give Israel the same amount of "foreign aid" per capita that we give to other "friends" and strategic partners like England, Canada, and Japan? Or how about we just let every U.S. taxpayer opt out or opt in on their tax return for how much they want to give to support the poor, indigent Israelis. LOL!

Israel the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world’s population, can lay claim to the following:

* The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.
* Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
* Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
* The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel
* Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
* Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel
* The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.
* Israel ’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined .
* Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.
* According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look (finally) to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.
* Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
* Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin – 109 per 10,000 people — as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
* In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).
* With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world — apart from the Silicon Valley, U.S.
* Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the U.S.
* Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.
* Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
* The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
* On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.
* Twenty-four per cent of Israel’s workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.
* Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
* In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
* When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world’s second elected female leader in modern times.
* When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day — and saved three victims from the rubble.
* Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship — and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 – in the world.
* Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity. (Hundreds of thousands from the former Soviet Union)
* Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as “conflict free.”
* Israel has the world’s second highest per capita of new books.
* Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
* Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
* Medicine… Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
* An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.
* Israel’s Given Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders .
* Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the camera helps doctors diagnose heart’s mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.
* Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.
* A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the Clear Light device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct — all without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.
* An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California’s Mojave desert.
* All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other county on earth.

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Opinion
Why glorify the murderers?
Dalal Mughrabi helped kill 38 innocent men, women and children in Israel. Palestinians named a square after her.
By Ron Kehrmann, Yossi Mendelevich and Yossi Zur

March 17, 2010

Vice President Joe Biden took umbrage last week when Israel announced during his visit that it had approved new housing construction in East Jerusalem. But another contentious incident that took place during Biden's visit got far less scrutiny.

March 11 marked the 32nd anniversary of the deadliest terrorist attack in Israel's history, and this year the Palestinian Authority decided to honor the 19-year-old leader of the attack, Dalal Mughrabi, by naming a square in a town outside Ramallah after her. The commemoration was scheduled for the anniversary.

The official ceremony was ultimately canceled to avoid antagonizing Biden during his visit, but the square was nevertheless named for Mughrabi, and several dozen Palestinian students from President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement gathered in her honor for an unofficial dedication.

So what was the deed that deserved this commemoration? On a Saturday in March 1978, the squad of Palestinian terrorists led by Mughrabi entered Israel by boat from Lebanon and made their way to the main road between Haifa and Tel Aviv. By day's end, they had murdered 38 innocent men, women and children.

The first person Mughrabi and her gang of terrorists encountered was Gale Rubin, an American photojournalist taking photos of birds near the beach. They killed her and continued on their deadly path.

They then hijacked a bus full of happy families returning from a Saturday excursion. On their way to Tel Aviv, the terrorists shot at passing cars and killed more innocent people.

The terrorists tied all the men's hands to the bus seats. When Israeli security forces stopped the bus, the terrorists ran out while throwing hand grenades into the bus, setting it on fire. The men inside were burned alive.

The three of us writing this article each have experience with Palestinian terrorists. Seven years ago this month, on March 5, 2003, our children were killed by a Palestinian suicide murderer who exploded the bomb he was carrying on a city bus in Haifa. Seventeen people, mostly children on their way home from school, were killed.

Our children were just beginning their lives when that bomb exploded. Tal Kehrmann was 18 years old. Yuval Mendelevich was 13 1/2 . Asaf Zur was almost 17 years old.

We don't believe people who murder children should be held up as heroes. Though the official Ramallah ceremony was canceled, Mughrabi's name will remain on that square. And she is already commemorated in Hebron, where a girls school is named after her.

What message is the Palestinian Authority trying to send to the Palestinian people, especially to the children growing up under its rule? These children are taught to hate Israelis and Jews and to disrespect their own lives.

When the mother of the suicide murderer who killed our children heard about the attack her son committed, she refused to wear customary black clothes because she thought his death should be celebrated rather than mourned. She wore everyday clothes and served her guests candies. How can a mother hate our children more than she loves her own?

How can terrorists use children as human shields in fire exchanges? Where are the parents, teachers, community leaders?

How does a society have a suicide-murderer waiting list of 500 young Palestinians wanting to kill themselves along with Israelis, as was the case during the worst days of the second intifada, when a terror attack occurred almost daily?

The answers lie in years of brainwashing, which starts at a very young age, through education and religious television channels, mosque prayers and lessons that make people believe that death is better than life; that killing innocent people, without distinction, will improve Palestinian life.

The answers are rooted in years of glorifying the murderers, putting their posters on streets, giving their families money and respect, and yes, in naming city squares after them.

Dalal Mughrabi came into Israel 32 years ago this month with one intention: to kill Israelis, randomly, as many as possible. In most countries, she would be condemned for eternity. In today's Palestinian society, she is a heroine.

Israelis want a genuine peace with our neighbors. But as long as Palestinian society glorifies terrorists and murderers such as Mughrabi and the ones who killed our three children, we cannot believe that Palestinians are ready to live in peace with us.

Ron Kehrmann, a former Olympic swimmer, owns a print shop in Haifa. Yossi Mendelevich is a retired engineer in Tel Aviv. Yossi Zur is a software engineer in Haifa. All three work with projects to protect children from terrorism.

Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times

[atrich]

Buchanan is a longtime anti-Semite, and he doesn't even hide that fact. Biden's ass-kissing was pathetic, and he made some really inane statements, but how is that Israel's fault? This is just one more example of how the international community has zero respect for the current administration. It's a real shame that we have such pussies in office, representing us to the world.

By the way, it sure didn't take long for Godwin's Law to kick in. LOL.

[Prizetek]

MiamiPadronSmoker, on 17 March 2010 - 08:57 PM, said:

Blah, blah, blah

If you love Israel so much, please consider yourself free to GTFO my country and move there, And don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. And I would say the same to anyone who can't stop singing the praises on Mexico, Canada, Germany or the Dominican Republic for that matter.



Meanwhile, Americans are slowly waking up.

Look at some of the comments on this column:

Time for the US To Get Tougher With Israel


"Want to really get tough and send a message? Start cutting back on the approximately $2.5 billion in aid we give Israel every year."


That should make you are your ilk very concerned.

[Prizetek]

atrich, on 17 March 2010 - 09:26 PM, said:

Buchanan is a longtime anti-Semite, and he doesn't even hide that fact.

Really? Where has Pat Buchanan admitted to being anti-Semite.

It is the idiotic knee-jerk reaction of labeling anyone critical of Israel as "anti-Semitic" that waters down real antisemitism. I read folks saying that Europe is overrun with anti-semitism because some folks there actually have the chutzpah to criticize the Israeli government's apartheid policy of persecution against the Palestinian people. Smart idea to label a continent of 700 million people as anti-semites. This is what will eventually render the term nothing but a giant "yawn."



BTW, who has the law about the first person on a thread to mention their connections to the Holocaust while at the same time uttering dehumanizing epiphets towards Muslims, Arabs, and Palestinians and/or advocating policies that persecute or exterminate people who belong to these these racial and religious groups?

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 09:39 PM, said:

Really? Where has Pat Buchanan admitted to being anti-Semite.

It is the idiotic knee-jerk reaction of labeling anyone critical of Israel as "anti-Semitic" that waters down real antisemitism. I read folks saying that Europe is overrun with anti-semitism because some folks there actually have the chutzpah to criticize the Israeli government's apartheid policy of persecution against the Palestinian people. Smart idea to label a continent of 700 million people as anti-semites. This is what will eventually render the term nothing but a giant "yawn."



BTW, who has the law about the first person on a thread to mention their connections to the Holocaust while at the same time uttering dehumanizing epiphets towards Muslims, Arabs, and Palestinians and/or advocating policies that persecute or exterminate people who belong to these these racial and religious groups?

In His Own Words

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 09:39 PM, said:

Really? Where has Pat Buchanan admitted to being anti-Semite.

It is the idiotic knee-jerk reaction of labeling anyone critical of Israel as "anti-Semitic" that waters down real antisemitism. I read folks saying that Europe is overrun with anti-semitism because some folks there actually have the chutzpah to criticize the Israeli government's apartheid policy of persecution against the Palestinian people. Smart idea to label a continent of 700 million people as anti-semites. This is what will eventually render the term nothing but a giant "yawn."



BTW, who has the law about the first person on a thread to mention their connections to the Holocaust while at the same time uttering dehumanizing epiphets towards Muslims, Arabs, and Palestinians and/or advocating policies that persecute or exterminate people who belong to these these racial and religious groups?

Where was that?

Stop making shit up.

You compared what I said to Hitler. That is completely off base and insulting.

Where did I advocate extermination of a race? You are a sick fuck. Can't you just have a normal debate based on reality?

From the comments to your link.

"Bernie95
March 16th, 2010 at 12:44 AM Log in to Reply

Another broadside by the admirable Pat Buchanan. America is today what Germany was during the Weimar period; a completely occupied, subjugated nation controlled by treasonous gang of murderous criminals. Unfortunately your rulers learned well the lessons of the 1930’s so any would be firebrand like Hitler certainly was will be Wellstoned, (Haidered, Fortuyned JFK’d) , before he gets too big for his boots.

America needs to be ruled by the likes of Trafficant, Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura, and yes, David Duke. Not the unspeakable neocon shysters who pull Obama’s strings"

This is the type of person in agreement with you over at Buchanan's site. I bet you feel right at home with the element over there.

My link

Edited by MiamiPadronSmoker, 17 March 2010 - 10:49 PM.

[AmbassadorMark]

"Innocent Palestinians" is an oxymoron. They are the ultimate nation of trailer park trash. You could build those asswipes brand new state of the art luxury condominiums and they would trash them quicker than the gangstas trash government housing here in the US.

By saying we should shed our alliance with Israel, you are at minimum implying this would solve our problems with the Muslim world and provide us with greater supply and pricing for oil. I know you are smarter than this PP because you have to realize alienating ourselves from Israel has not a fucking thing to do with a better Arab relationship long term. The only thing that would satisfy the Arabs long term, as relates to the USA, would be the complete and total destruction of our country and every non-Muslim citizen living here.

I am certain Biden insulted the Israelis with his patronizing bullshit. It was a complete insult to their intelligence and pride. Why would the Israelis seek acceptance for their plans from the USA? Inside, they have to realize just how fucked up we are electing asswipes like Obama and Biden, Pelozi, et al, to run our country. These idiots have fucked up the greatest nation in the history of mankind in 10 years. Israel has essentially created chicken salad from chicken shit. We should be asking Israel for guidance in many areas, not just relating to airline security.

[Max Power]

I find labeling an entire group of people like say, the Palestinians, offensive.

Similar to labeling an entire profession of people like say....cops, offensive.

[Prizetek]

Max Power, on 18 March 2010 - 06:23 AM, said:

I find labeling an entire group of people like say, the Palestinians, offensive.

Similar to labeling an entire profession of people like say....cops, offensive.

Nice try.

You are born with your race or ethnicity. It has nothing to do with the decisions you have made in your life that reflect your values, your character, your integrity, your worth . . .

Being a cop is self-selecting. Like being in the Mafia. Or being a terrorist.

But maybe you have a problem labeling those groups, too.

[Prizetek]

AmbassadorMark, on 18 March 2010 - 02:00 AM, said:

By saying we should shed our alliance with Israel, you are at minimum implying this would solve our problems with the Muslim world and provide us with greater supply and pricing for oil.

I don't necessarily think it will give us better oil prices.

We will disagree on relations with the Muslim world.

But one thing is uncontestable. We would have billions of more dollars kept here in the US or maybe even left in your and my pocket instead of given away in foreign aid. Really, if you and your family were a zillion dollars in debt and getting deeper all the time, cutting back the things you provided for your own family members and still unable to make ends meet without borrowing even more . . . would you then turn around and send money you don't have and are borrowing from others, to some dude who lives on the other side of town who is already doing just fine financially? Who the fuck does that? The U.S. government - that's who.

AmbassadorMark, on 18 March 2010 - 02:00 AM, said:

Why would the Israelis seek acceptance for their plans from the USA?

I can think of several Billion rea$on$ why they should.

AmbassadorMark, on 18 March 2010 - 02:00 AM, said:

By saying we should shed our alliance with Israel, you are at minimum implying this would solve our problems with the Muslim world and provide us with Israel has essentially created chicken salad from chicken shit. We should be asking Israel for guidance in many areas, not just relating to airline security.

Yes - they made it with money from my family and yours.

As for guidance, we should be asking Israel how they are able to get a nation of people who are deep in debt to still give them billions every year. Maybe in a few years we can use that advice to get China to give us money instead of loaning it to us at market rates.

[Max Power]

Prizetek, on 18 March 2010 - 08:54 AM, said:

Nice try.

You are born with your race or ethnicity. It has nothing to do with the decisions you have made in your life that reflect your values, your character, your integrity, your worth . . .

Being a cop is self-selecting. Like being in the Mafia. Or being a terrorist.

But maybe you have a problem labeling those groups, too.

Are you born Muslim? Or is that a choice?

I think you get the point I was trying to make. Semantics or word games won't change that.

[Prizetek]

Max Power, on 18 March 2010 - 04:12 PM, said:

Are you born Muslim? Or is that a choice?

I think you get the point I was trying to make. Semantics or word games won't change that.

I got your "point" - it is just wrong. Nothing to do with "semantics" - you are just comparing apples and gorillas when you compare the skin color someone was born, to a lifestytle choice that someone makes - such as their vocation.

BTW, I would bet that 90-95% or all Muslims were indeed born Muslim. And then again, choosing to become Muslim doesn't evoke a negative-character reaction from me - unlike choosing to join the Mafia, the ACLU, the NEA, NAMBLA, the KKK, the Village Idiots, the Nazi party . . . or the Chicago Police Department.

[MoeCizlak]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

You didn't answer the question.

So STFU, and go start your own thread to demonize and spread racial hate against the persecuted Palestinian people.



BTW, I am pretty sure that Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza. Just like Avigdor Lieberman in Israel. They both can go to hell as far as I care.

I stopped feeling sorry for the Palestinian people when they elected Hamas and the images surrounding this story following the collapse of the Twin Towers made it impossible for me to side with them:

A Reuters report filed in Beirut stated: "Jubilant Palestinians took to the streets of refugee camps of Lebanon and the West Bank, waving Palestinian flags and distributing sweets to celebrate the attacks on major U.S. landmarks and government offices."

The same report noted: "In Nablus, motorists honked their horns and gunmen fired into the air from assault rifles to cheer on the attacks which unfolded in the space of a few hours and stunned people around the globe."

The AP film that was not aired reportedly shows "Palestinian policemen celebrating and shooting into the air, in addition to civilians dancing," according to senior Israeli sources. The film was reportedly shot in Nablus, where more than 3,000 demonstrators took to the streets, and in the Balata refugee camp.

Palestinians forcibly confined foreign journalists to a Nablus hotel Tuesday night, guarded by armed Palestinians while festivities took place in the streets outside, according to a Jerusalem Post report.

Israel Television correspondent Oded Granot reported last night that Tanzim militiamen had kidnapped a Palestinian cameraman who shot a report for a major news agency showing Palestinians in Ramallah celebrating the attacks against the United States. This film reportedly includes footage of Palestinian Police firing their assault rifles in the air in celebration as hundreds cheer. This morning the Tanzim reportedly released the cameraman.

Ha'aretz reported that mourners at the funerals of nine Palestinians killed early Wednesday morning in IDF military operations in Jenin cheered in celebration of the terror attacks in the United States.

Maariv reported this morning that Arab students at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem held a party Tuesday night celebrating the attacks and giving out candy to participants. University officials closed the dormitory lounge in which the party was held shortly afterwards, Maariv added.

If they are so upset at the way Isreal reacts to rocket attacks and suicide bombings, quit launching rockets and suicide bombers against them.

[Max Power]

Prizetek, on 18 March 2010 - 07:14 PM, said:

BTW, I would bet that 90-95% or all Muslims were indeed born Muslim. And then again, choosing to become Muslim doesn't evoke a negative-character reaction from me - unlike choosing to join the Mafia, the ACLU, the NEA, NAMBLA, the KKK, the Village Idiots, the Nazi party . . . or the Chicago Police Department.

OK, born to your religion but choose to be gay.

Got it.

[atrich]

MoeCizlak, on 18 March 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I stopped feeling sorry for the Palestinian people when they elected Hamas and the images surrounding this story following the collapse of the Twin Towers made it impossible for me to side with them:

A Reuters report filed in Beirut stated: "Jubilant Palestinians took to the streets of refugee camps of Lebanon and the West Bank, waving Palestinian flags and distributing sweets to celebrate the attacks on major U.S. landmarks and government offices."

The same report noted: "In Nablus, motorists honked their horns and gunmen fired into the air from assault rifles to cheer on the attacks which unfolded in the space of a few hours and stunned people around the globe."

The AP film that was not aired reportedly shows "Palestinian policemen celebrating and shooting into the air, in addition to civilians dancing," according to senior Israeli sources. The film was reportedly shot in Nablus, where more than 3,000 demonstrators took to the streets, and in the Balata refugee camp.

Palestinians forcibly confined foreign journalists to a Nablus hotel Tuesday night, guarded by armed Palestinians while festivities took place in the streets outside, according to a Jerusalem Post report.

Israel Television correspondent Oded Granot reported last night that Tanzim militiamen had kidnapped a Palestinian cameraman who shot a report for a major news agency showing Palestinians in Ramallah celebrating the attacks against the United States. This film reportedly includes footage of Palestinian Police firing their assault rifles in the air in celebration as hundreds cheer. This morning the Tanzim reportedly released the cameraman.

Ha'aretz reported that mourners at the funerals of nine Palestinians killed early Wednesday morning in IDF military operations in Jenin cheered in celebration of the terror attacks in the United States.

Maariv reported this morning that Arab students at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem held a party Tuesday night celebrating the attacks and giving out candy to participants. University officials closed the dormitory lounge in which the party was held shortly afterwards, Maariv added.

If they are so upset at the way Isreal reacts to rocket attacks and suicide bombings, quit launching rockets and suicide bombers against them.

+1

[atrich]

Max Power, on 19 March 2010 - 06:35 AM, said:

OK, born to your religion but choose to be gay.

Got it.

This probably needs a new thread... but...

"No one chooses to be gay" is a red herring. Do some people have greater natural tendencies toward homosexuality than others? Sure. So what? Some people have greater natural tendencies than others to do LOTS of things that they shouldn't do. That doesn't suddenly make it okie dokie when they give in to their desire to do it.

Some men have an uncontrollable desire to stick their dick into women who don't want it there. Many of them apparently just can't help themselves. We call that rape. Maybe they were born with the tendency. Who knows? Doesn't make it ok.

I have a tendency to want to slam my car into the dipshit in a Prius in front of me who refuses to turn right on red. One of these days I just might do it, but I sure hope not. If I do, is it because I just couldn't resist the natural tendency toward that behavior, or is it because I made a choice to act on it?

[jfields]

Prizetek, on 16 March 2010 - 10:40 PM, said:

The innocent victim card is not working so much any more. There is plenty of blame to go around in Palestine and in Israel.

Out of the whole thread this is the only thing that hit home for me. That and withdrawing 2.5 Billion in annual aid.

[Edman]

Onetime I heard someone say that there will be peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis only when the Palestinians decide that they love their children more than they hate the Israelis. ( I thinks this was in reference to the Palestinians raising their kids to be suicide murders)

[MiamiPadronSmoker]

Edman, on 19 March 2010 - 10:44 AM, said:

Onetime I heard someone say that there will be peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis only when the Palestinians decide that they love their children more than they hate the Israelis. ( I thinks this was in reference to the Palestinians raising their kids to be suicide murders)

This is a quote by Golda Meir who was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969 becoming the world’s second elected female leader in modern times. I am obviously biased because I am a proud American Jew who has half his family living in Israel. America is the greatest Republic ever and Israel only exists because of America. Israel is surrounding by enemies who have tried and will continue to try and destroy it's existence. I would argue that the Jewish race is actually the most persecuted race in the history of mankind. Cutting of foreign aid is not a simple thing let alone Israel that requires the aid to exist. There are many consequences for the United Sates as well. The majority of the foreign aid that is sent to Israel is paid right back to America for weapons which creates plenty of jobs. America and Israel have many common interests and enemies. It looks like many people on this thread have forgotten 9-11 and do not understand our enemies mentalities. Even if Israel ceased to exist America will still be the great satan in the eyes of extremest Muslim. They will do everything in their power to destroy America and soon they will have nuclear weapons thanks to Iran.

[Prizetek]

Edman, on 19 March 2010 - 10:44 AM, said:

Onetime I heard someone say that there will be peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis only when the Palestinians decide that they love their children more than they hate the Israelis. ( I thinks this was in reference to the Palestinians raising their kids to be suicide murders)

The TRUTH is that Israel has slaughtered many, many, MANY times more Palestinians that all the Israelis killed by all the "suicide murders" combined. The ones it hasn't killed, it has fenced into a Gulag and embargoed aid.

And speaking of terrorism, did you know that many of Israel's leaders over the years were formerly terrorists themselves?

You really should do some independent research and look into the facts - historical and on the ground - before just buying off 100% on the AIPAC party line you have been sold.

There are a lot of victims but NO GOOD GUYS here. Not Hamas. Not Fatah. Not AIPAC. Not the USA. Not the US-supported tyrannies in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, etc. And sure as hell not Likud, Avigdor Lieberman, Netanyahu, and the Israeli government.

[Edman]

Prizetek, on 22 March 2010 - 12:23 PM, said:

The TRUTH is that Israel has slaughtered many, many, MANY times more Palestinians that all the Israelis killed by all the "suicide murders" combined. The ones it hasn't killed, it has fenced into a Gulag and embargoed aid.

And speaking of terrorism, did you know that many of Israel's leaders over the years were formerly terrorists themselves?

You really should do some independent research and look into the facts - historical and on the ground - before just buying off 100% on the AIPAC party line you have been sold.

There are a lot of victims but NO GOOD GUYS here. Not Hamas. Not Fatah. Not AIPAC. Not the USA. Not the US-supported tyrannies in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, etc. And sure as hell not Likud, Avigdor Lieberman, Netanyahu, and the Israeli government.

First , I'd like to see your link for you TRUTH fact as to the death tolls and from reliable sources. (not judging them one way or the other, just want to see what you are basing this on.) And last I checked the Israelis were not lobing bombs and rockets indiscriminately at the Palestinians. The Palestinians should be targeting legitimate military targets and not hiding in areas where if struck, innocent civilians would become casualties. Both sides need to adhere to the Law of Armed Conflict., but if you are launching attacks from populated areas or mosques and such, don't complain when you get return fire. I would think that the Palestinians would care enough about their innocent people as to not put them in harms way.

2nd one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter/defender.

3rd show me where I said I was buying off on the AIPAC party line. I don't even know what AIPAC is. I was just throwing in a quote I heard as I though it was kind of relevant to the conversation