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[Prizetek]

The Health Care Fraud is going to become law.

Nothing anyone can do about it now.

[ChiTown_Huck]

You are quoting Bobby Knight? Go throw a chair about it.

Edited by ChiTown_Huck, 16 March 2010 - 11:24 PM.

[Prizetek]

ChiTown_Huck, on 16 March 2010 - 11:24 PM, said:

You are quoting Bobby Knight? Go throw a chair about it.

If you think Bobby Knight "invented" that remark and therefore I was quoting him, then you really have no business commenting on my thread.

[ChiTown_Huck]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 09:08 AM, said:

If you think Bobby Knight "invented" that remark and therefore I was quoting him, then you really have no business commenting on my thread.

I didn't say that Bobby invented the remark. I said you were quoting him because he said that. You do understand the difference between quoting and inventing? By the way who invented that remark, or did you just come up with that one on your own?

[Prizetek]

ChiTown_Huck, on 17 March 2010 - 09:22 AM, said:

By the way who invented that remark, or did you just come up with that one on your own?

If you care enough you can Google it. If you want to bet me or pay me, I'll do it for you.

[Edman]

Prizetek, on 16 March 2010 - 05:19 PM, said:

The Health Care Fraud is going to become law.

Nothing anyone can do about it now.

If enough people who are against it contact their representatives, it just might not become law. If it does pass, look for legal challenges on it's constitutionality though, especially when it comes to government mandates to purchase health insurance and fines if you don't. Also I understand there is provision in it that says future congresses cannot repeal it. That sounds like it would not pass a constitutionality challenge. The big kicker is that there is not an official bill out there as of this moment that anyone can say this is the final package. As Pelosi said the other week in a speech, We need to pass this bill so that the American people can see what is in it.

[griz]

Prizetek, on 16 March 2010 - 05:19 PM, said:

The Health Care Fraud is going to become law.

Nothing anyone can do about it now.

...and this is a government of, by and for the people.
Yeah, right!


If only there were guarantees a violent revolution would bring us something better it would be a no brainer.

[ChiTown_Huck]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

If you care enough you can Google it. If you want to bet me or pay me, I'll do it for you.

Wow, you were quoting Clayton Williams, Jr.? I guess I am not up on my Texas gubernatorial candidates like you are.

[Prizetek]

Edman, on 17 March 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

If enough people who are against it contact their representatives, it just might not become law. If it does pass, look for legal challenges on it's constitutionality though, especially when it comes to government mandates to purchase health insurance and fines if you don't. Also I understand there is provision in it that says future congresses cannot repeal it. That sounds like it would not pass a constitutionality challenge. The big kicker is that there is not an official bill out there as of this moment that anyone can say this is the final package. As Pelosi said the other week in a speech, We need to pass this bill so that the American people can see what is in it.

The House is going to vote on the Senate Bill, pass it, and send it to Obama for signature. So yes, there is an "official bill out there" and you can read it if you have the time.

BTW, any cite for: "there is provision in it that says future congresses cannot repeal it?"

[Edman]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 11:13 AM, said:

The House is going to vote on the Senate Bill, pass it, and send it to Obama for signature. So yes, there is an "official bill out there" and you can read it if you have the time.

BTW, any cite for: "there is provision in it that says future congresses cannot repeal it?"

Which bill? The one passed on Christmas eve? The one Obama added stuff to from the Pubs after the big meeting? The one Pelosi & company changed and are waiting on CBO scoring? It tends to be a bit confusing.
If you can provide a link I'd appreciate it.

repeal provision

another source

Edited by Edman, 17 March 2010 - 12:01 PM.

[Prizetek]

Edman, on 17 March 2010 - 12:00 PM, said:

Which bill?

HR 3590, passed by the US Senate on 24 December 2010 and to be voted on by the House probably within a week, and then sent to Obama for his signature.

Here is the text of the Bill.

Thanks for the link on SECTION 3403(d)(3)( C). That is pretty fucked up, but not surprising.

[Edman]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 03:41 PM, said:

HR 3590, passed by the US Senate on 24 December 2010 and to be voted on by the House probably within a week, and then sent to Obama for his signature.

Here is the text of the Bill.

Thanks for the link on SECTION 3403(d)(3)( C). That is pretty fucked up, but not surprising.

I thought that was the bill, but with what it going on in Congress, it's hard to keep track. Here is another like of a survey of Doctors who would quit practicing if this is passed. My link

[Prizetek]

Edman, on 17 March 2010 - 03:59 PM, said:

I thought that was the bill, but with what it going on in Congress, it's hard to keep track. Here is another like of a survey of Doctors who would quit practicing if this is passed. My link

I have some questions about that article.

For example, it states:

"If health reform passes without the public option, 7.4% of physicians stated that they would quit practicing medicine, unless they were nearing retirement, in which case 21.8% said they would retire early, bringing the total loss of physician workforce to nearly one-third of physicians leaving medicine."

Uh . . . not sure that's right. Let's say that 50% of doctors are nearing retirement (which seems awfully high). 21.8% of them would retire early = about 14.4% of the total number that would quit practicing . . . plus the other 7.4% that are not nearing retirement . . . looks alot more like 22% than "nearly one-third." And since the numbering nearing retirement is almost surely a LOT less than 50%, the actual total number who would quit is probably much, much lower. E.g., if 30% are near retirment, then the total number drops to only 14%. Not "nearly one-third."



Anyway, I wonder how many of those survey participants were named Doctor Alec Baldwin.

[Edman]

Prizetek, on 17 March 2010 - 03:41 PM, said:

HR 3590, passed by the US Senate on 24 December 2010 and to be voted on by the House probably within a week, and then sent to Obama for his signature.

Here is the text of the Bill.

I think that the new bill is now H.R. 4872 Reconciliation Act of 2010. The CBO gave it a perliminary estimate.

Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections.

So even the CBO is waiting to see a final version to give it an accurate score.

[FlyFish]

Edman, on 18 March 2010 - 11:56 AM, said:

I think that the new bill is now H.R. 4872 Reconciliation Act of 2010. The CBO gave it a perliminary estimate.

Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections.

So even the CBO is waiting to see a final version to give it an accurate score.

But they can't give it an accurate score because the funding provisions are all a fraud. Does anyone really believe that Congress is going to cut medicare reimbursements by the amounts they quote in this bill? I read 21% or something like that. There is no f'ing way they will ever do that so whatever the CBO came up with or comes up with isn't worth the paper it is printed on.

Thankfully this thing will be in court for about a thousand years before it gets implemented.

Edited by FlyFish, 19 March 2010 - 10:42 AM.

[Edman]

So the President was trying to get support from the Hispanic caucus and spoke with them. Guess it is not about what's best for the country. What a surprise.

One caucus member told POLITICO that Obama won him over by “essentially [saying] that the fate of his presidency” hinged on this week’s health reform vote in the House. The member, who requested anonymity, likened Obama’s remarks to an earlier meeting with progressives when the president said a victory was necessary to keep him “strong” for the next three years of his term.

My link